Orsha Questions...

[SamB]

Hi,

I'm playing the campaign and I have a couple of questions.

1. Cupolas are defined as a strategic location. I assume that once the cupola is destroyed, the hex is no longer a strategic location?

2. What is the CVP earned by the Russian for destroying a cupola? Is it just the 2 CVP for the crew?

Thanks. I'm sure I'll have more.

[rreinesch]

Hi Sam,
For #1, it is still considered a strategic location even when destroyed.

For #2, it is 2 CVP for the crew, 1 for the AF, 1 for the MA, 1 for the Cupola for 5 CVP total.

Rick

[SamB]

Thanks, Rick. Good to have an official answer.

I am really enjoying this campaign.

[rreinesch]

I am really enjoying this campaign.

Been following your exploits from your reports. I think it is a great CG, so I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying it.

Rick

[Chas]

Sam,

When you are complete, please compile and send any comments to us offline on how to improve the CG when we reprint as part of East Front.

Thanks,
Chas

[SamB]

Sam,

When you are complete, please compile and send any comments to us offline on how to improve the CG when we reprint as part of East Front.

Thanks,
Chas

Chas, I've started a Word Document with a list of questions. But here's one I need some help with as we are about to play turn 5 and the scenario may end.

Refer to this picture for these questions. Assume these are the front line Russian positions at Scenario end.
NorthFlank_AfterTurn4.jpg

The red line represents what I –think- would be the Russian perimeter. Questions:

1. Since the Germans control the three track locations, should the Russian perimeter be drawn to exclude those? (Probably).
2. The three Russian Tanks are outside the perimeter. They would have to “escape”, correct?
3. Would the perimeter be any different if German units occupied non-strategic locations inside the Russian lines?
4. Some of the shell holes (black circles, white background) and the top of the picture used to be German trenches. Are these still considered strategic locations? I already asked about cupolas that were destroyed and was told these were still strategic locations, so I think they probably are.

As I understand it, for Orsha, the only locations that matter are Strategic locations and locations your MMC occupy at game end. (broken or good order) I think there is a statement that your perimeter cannot be traced through an enemy MMC occupied hex, but it can include them inside your perimeter.

Do I have that right?

Thanks

[Chas]

Sam,

I am personally not very good at the whole CG Perimeter Draw thing. OtO was modelled after RB for that and should be similar. Hopefully some of the more experienced CG players can chime in and assist with the perimeter draw stuff.

Chas

[SamB]

Thanks, Chas.

I am fairly confident that I have the perimeter right. The differences betweek OtO and RB is that in OtO you only look at locations occupied by MMC, and strategic locations. This means that AFV's don't count for drawing the permieter, for one thing. But other that that, the example in RB is pretty good.

Can someone tell me if entrenchments that are destroyed by OBA or HE attack are still strategic locations?

[ASRomafan]

Thanks, Chas.

I am fairly confident that I have the perimeter right. The differences betweek OtO and RB is that in OtO you only look at locations occupied by MMC, and strategic locations. This means that AFV's don't count for drawing the permieter, for one thing. But other that that, the example in RB is pretty good.

Can someone tell me if entrenchments that are destroyed by OBA or HE attack are still strategic locations?

Hi Sam, I don't think that possibility has been addressed in the rules. I have always played it that it is still a strategic location. It marks a defensive position whose inherent value is not the entrenchment itself but the entrenchment marking a location important to the defender in terms of the defense. Capturing it marks 'progress' for the attacker, and losing it a less viable defense for the defender.

btw. Do you have J9? Look at the CG rules for Suicide Creek, they have a nice chart on Z69 for situation like you decribed for the 3 Russian tanks. Much easier to follow than the Red Barricades RePh rules.

[SamB]

Thanks. I do have J9. I'll look at the example.

I think we've desided to play that a destroyed entrenchment remains a strategic location. But it would be nice if the rule were clarified.

Thanks again.
Sam