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    Quote Originally Posted by Crinius View Post
    Iam currently reading "The Rules of the Game" by Andrew Gordon ... I came on it as it is recommended by the Dreadnought Project Site. They say it is the best book on Jutland. And I must say, it is a good book.
    This is by far the best book on military history, whether land, sea, or air combat, that I have ever read. It's extremely well-thought out and extensively researched, which you'd certainly hope in a book of this size, and which you'd expect in any good military history. What sets this book apart, however, is the absolute wealth of material and how it's presented.

    It's obvious the author isn't a career historian--he writes far too well . I bet he's got some novels to his credit, and if he doesn't, he should. Gordon manages to make grogs think they're reading about Jutland for the 1st time. While the book's avowed purpose is exploration of the esoteric subject of the thought processes of Brit admirals at Jutland, and the arcana of fleet signalling, the overall narrative carries you pleasantly along like an action novel, thanks to the wealth of trivia and sarcastic lower deck comments thrown in to illustrate the consequences of the decisions of admirals and the environment they lived in. And there's even a huge cliff-hanger and long flashback interposed just at the battle's crisis point. I've never read a history book like this, and doubt I'll see another.
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    "Great Sea Battles" by Oliver Warner has a great and very descriptive chapter about Jutland. My mother bought me this book when I was a wee lad and it marked the first time I ever heard about Jutland.

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    I've got a book on order now that I have high hopes for (at $80, it BETTER be good ). It's called Wielding the Dagger and is about the German naval forces (sea, air, and land) that operated from Belgian bases during WW1. IOW, the primary opposition of the Dover Patrol on the Brit side of the ditch.

    I'll post a review once I've read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullethead View Post
    is about the German naval forces (sea, air, and land) that operated from Belgian bases during WW1.
    That sounds interesting. Looking forward to your review.

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    Book Review: Wielding the Dagger

    Wielding the Dagger: The MarineKorps Flandern and the German War Effort, 1914-1918
    by Mark D. Karau, Praeger Publishers, 2003
    ISBN 0-313-32475-1

    This book is the only one I know of that treats the German naval efforts in Belgium during WW1 as its main subject. So for that reason, it's worth having .

    The book itself is well-written but badly published. As in, it's sometimes difficult to read because of how the text is justified to be even on both margins. Instead of spreading letters out evenly, or adding more space between words, the extra space needed to fill out lines of text is in the form of regularly sized spaces between letters within words. Thus, many words on many lines are broken up, so that individual letters stand alone with spaces on both sides. AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!

    However, if you can get past that, the book's a good read with much valuable info .

    MKF was a very interesting organization, a hybrid of naval and military forces. The bulk of the personnel were land-based in what were effectively naval infantry divisions. The original one of these captured the area, then was pulled out of the line to build and fortify the naval bases in Belgium. This division was replaced in the line, at the army's insistance, by a new, 2nd infantry division, which was later supplimented by a 3rd one in mid-1917. All this was just to support the naval and air operations from the bases of Ostend, Zeebrugge, and Brugges.

    The history of MKF is a long line of woulda-coulda-shoulda indecision, like so much else in German WW1 policy. The Germans knew that bases in Belgium would be quite useful against Britain, and created MKF to exploit them, but then failed to take full advantage of them. MKF's commander (an admiral) was on a par with the other major German naval and army commanders, with direct access to the Kaiser and all. However, he had to argue with these other commanders for force allocation, and usually didn't get what he wanted. Thus, despite having a force specifically created to use subs and DDs against Brit shipping in the Channel area, and having turned the Belgian coast into about the most heavily fortified area in the world by March 1915, there weren't many subs or DDs assigned there until the 2nd 1/2 of the war. At this point, with the start of the unrestricted sub campaign, the Belgian bases assumed a huge importance to the Germans and the forces based there increased greatly. Of course, so did Brit efforts to neutralize these bases.

    The book goes through all this history, mainly focusing on the arguments between the MKF commander and his peers, but also including details of the planning for German intervention in netural Holland in the event of a Brit invasion there. The Germans believed this would happen, especially during 1917, so put a lot of thought into what they would do. On the actual Flanders front, the book is very specific as regards DDs and TBs assigned there even temporarily, pretty good on the shore batteries (in terms of equipment, but not location), but less so with subs and even less with details on the air units. Some of the major DD actions are covered in fairly good detail for a book focusing on higher issues, and the damage done by subs over time is listed periodically.

    All in all, this is a good book on its own merits and, by being somewhat unique, its value is enhanced. It makes a good addition to the various books on the Dover Patrol and Harwich Force, which were the primary opponents of MKF.
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    Another book for recommendation: "Jutland, 1916 Death in the Grey Wastes" by Peter Hart and Nigel Steel. Just finished it. A very good read, essentially in the words of those who fought over those couple of days. Some parts are quite affecting.......... the sheer terror of being under bombardment stuck in a steel coffin.............. Not an analytical book.................... just human stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hinchinbrooke View Post
    Not an analytical book.................... just human stories.
    Sounds cool . In all the grog techno arguments, the fact that people were invovled often gets lost. I'll have to check this out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullethead View Post
    I've got a book on order now that I have high hopes for (at $80, it BETTER be good ). It's called Wielding the Dagger and is about the German naval forces (sea, air, and land) that operated from Belgian bases during WW1. IOW, the primary opposition of the Dover Patrol on the Brit side of the ditch.

    I'll post a review once I've read it.
    I hope that they have this book at our Library , this is one I really would like to read. I am going to see if it is here. Also sense I am not able to buy books now I will try to put what ones down that I find at our library. It would be great to be able to find them and to see first if one liked them or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedalus View Post
    I hope that they have this book at our Library , this is one I really would like to read. I am going to see if it is here. Also sense I am not able to buy books now I will try to put what ones down that I find at our library. It would be great to be able to find them and to see first if one liked them or not.
    The book was pretty good. I posted a review that's still on the front page of this forum somewhere.

    And don't forget libraries can get books from other libraries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullethead View Post
    The book was pretty good. I posted a review that's still on the front page of this forum somewhere.

    And don't forget libraries can get books from other libraries.
    Yea I am just learning this, as I have not used libraries much in the past.
    At least public ones.

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