Rare vehicles pack to include ordinance?

[KED]

MMP has already mentioned that Rockets will not be a part of their counter mix.

I agree with Paul. Even if MMP will not include rocket weapons (besides bazookas, PSK, and in OBA) The vehicle mounting the Flak 43 and the schlepper/tractor should be included. We can investigate rules for direct fire rockets later. Or just use the Strum Tiger rules.

[Kevin Kenneally]

It's a pity, as some like the Wurfrahmen 40 firing either the 28 cm HE or 32 cm incendary rockets only had a range of about 2000 m or 50 hexes. 3 were mounted each side of a SdKfz 251 as a direct fire support weapon.

The Soviets used their 300 mm rockets (in 4 round frames) for direct fire in city fights like in Berlin. The range was from 70 hexes (early model) to 108 hexes (later). Not exactly long ranged. The 82 mm and 132 mm rockets were longer ranged.

Whilst the Soviet 82, 132mm, German 15, 21, 30 cm rockets had decent range and would normally be used as indirect fire (Rocket OBA), the 28/32 cm (G) and 300 mm (S) were quite commonly used as direct fire weapons due to both their short range and very useful heavy payload.

I have the CoI counters that depict the Rocket Launchers for the Germans and Russians; also the US Sherman with the rocket launcher above the turret.

[Paul M. Weir]

I agree with Paul. Even if MMP will not include rocket weapons (besides bazookas, PSK, and in OBA) The vehicle mounting the Flak 43 and the schlepper/tractor should be included. We can investigate rules for direct fire rockets later. Or just use the Strum Tiger rules.

CH have a limited number of rocket weapons in their Berlin HASL. The Soviet 300 mm and German 28/32 cm are the only ones that I would recommend as onboard counters, OBA is fine for the rest.

The Schlepper (RSO) and (fairly rare, 60) PaK 40 version would be nice. Other than gutted tank hulls it was the only full track tractor that the Germans manufactured. The SdKfz 7/2 (L) that came with BFP's CoS could stand in for the SWS with the Flak 43. A partly armoured SWS is needed, though as a cargo version/tractor.

The SdKfz 11 and 7 cover the range of medium and heavy 1/2 track tractors quite adequately though the light end is ignored. A SdKfz 10 is needed to fill that gap. I would suggest a MP of 18, small size, low GP, unarmoured, a T9 or T8 and PP of 13. It could tow a PaK 40 in a pinch and was slightly longer than its armoured 250 half-brother and being open was easier to stuff a few extra bodies over its official capacity of 8. It should be allowed to portee the 3.7 cm PaK 35/36. The front armoured field conversion with the 5 cm PaK 38 is another missing item. Think of a SdKfz 10/5 (L) with a NT 50L.

[ASRomafan]

I agree with Paul. Even if MMP will not include rocket weapons (besides bazookas, PSK, and in OBA) The vehicle mounting the Flak 43 and the schlepper/tractor should be included. We can investigate rules for direct fire rockets later. Or just use the Strum Tiger rules.

Paul, of course, completely correct. CH introduced on-board rockets back into ASL in a couple of products where they were used in specific direct fire missions, not as indirect fire which is well represented by OBA. The most noteworthy example I suppose being in Berlin.

The rules? They have been around for years for old squad leader. All CH did is draw the rules for their use in their games from the original rules in Cross of Iron. If you have that, you have the mechanics for using them in your own DYO if you want to play with them.

[jrv]

Bounding Fire put out the LVT(A)2FS, armed with a 150mm Rocket. And of course they put out several different types of rocket-armed aircraft, following in the footsteps of Heat of Battle.

JR

[KED]

I love that every other ASL game company came up with rocket weapons, I just feel its time for MMP to step up to the plate. They have enough rules to cover most of it.

[Gunner Scott]

I love that every other ASL game company came up with rocket weapons, I just feel its time for MMP to step up to the plate. They have enough rulls to cover most of it.

Why dont you step up to the plate and design something for MMP. You seem to know the subject matter, now apply it to an order of Battle and away you go.


Scott

[Psycho]

I love that every other ASL game company came up with rocket weapons, I just feel its time for MMP to step up to the plate. They have enough rulls to cover most of it.

They did. It's called OBA.

[KED]

They did. It's called OBA.

OBA does part of the job but the simple truth is that some of these weapons were employed in a direct fire mode.

[KED]

Found this on the German rockets.....

"In Russia, during the winter of 1942-43, many breakthrough attempts by hostile forces were repulsed by direct fire from rocket-projector batteries"