Jeep passengers and leader direction

[Jon]

Hi

A Jeep with a 4FP AAMG as its MA is also carrying a HS and a 9-1 lader as Passengers.

1) May the HS combine its FP with the Jeep's AAMG to make a fire attack?

2) If yes, may the leader direct the attack of the Jeep AAMG + Passenger IFP?

3) May the 9-1 Passenger leader apply his leaderrship DRM to the Jeep's AAMG only?

Cheers
Jon

[Mr Incredible]

There was another discussion on this very matter here

[pward]

I think if you want those benefits, you have to be in a half-track. Don't quote me on this but I don't think Jeeps qualify. Check D6.7.

[klasmalmstrom]

Hi

A Jeep with a 4FP AAMG as its MA is also carrying a HS and a 9-1 lader as Passengers.

1) May the HS combine its FP with the Jeep's AAMG to make a fire attack?

2) If yes, may the leader direct the attack of the Jeep AAMG + Passenger IFP?

3) May the 9-1 Passenger leader apply his leaderrship DRM to the Jeep's AAMG only?

I think (haven't checked the rules in detail) so this might be wrong:
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. No.

[macrobo]

Hi All

Jon and I are playing Friendly Fire Number 7 "To Have and Hold"

The Questions and Answers Above should read

(1) Will any amount of Leadership or FP from every Jeep and HS in Jeeps save Robs Arse in this Game ---- NO
(2) Will Jon take mercy and not push his reinforcemnts through the bridge like a tsunami in the next turn -----NO
(3) Will Rob roll rubbish die rolls each time he attempts to salvage a desparate situation - YES

For the Firendly Fire Boys who made the first pack! - great scenarios but I need a handicap -I am just about to go 7 down to a Western Australian! - Oh the shame of it all!!

Rob

[jrv]

Originally Posted by Jon
Hi

A Jeep with a 4FP AAMG as its MA is also carrying a HS and a 9-1 lader as Passengers.

1) May the HS combine its FP with the Jeep's AAMG to make a fire attack?

2) If yes, may the leader direct the attack of the Jeep AAMG + Passenger IFP?

3) May the 9-1 Passenger leader apply his leaderrship DRM to the Jeep's AAMG only?

I think (haven't checked the rules in detail) so this might be wrong:
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. No.

D6.64 "FG: The only vehicles (as opposed to Passengers/Riders) that may be part of a multi-unit FG are Carriers/armored halftracks, each of which must be CE and using its vehicular-mounted non ordnance weapon(s) [EXC: FT, IFE] to qualify for that FG; such a FG may be composed of such Carriers/halftracks and/or Infantry/Cavalry."

(As a side note, I'm guessing that's the only place you'll find three "/" separated phrases in a row.)

D6.6 is the halftrack section, so D6.64 is presumably talking about halftracks. However, D6.64 now seems to stray from halftracks:

"A Passenger may be part of a FG composed only of other Passengers/vehicular-mounted non-ordnance weapons, and only if all elements of that FG are on the same vehicle [EXC: CE halftrack Passengers may be part of a FG composed of other Carriers/halftracks (and/or other Passengers of the same or another CE halftrack, and/or Infantry/Cavalry]. AFV Riders may be part of a FG composed only of other Riders on the same vehicle and/or that vehicle's AAMG [EXC: Carrier Riders may be part of any FG that consists of (or includes) that Carrier's non-ordnance weapon(s)]."

I'm read this second sentence as applying to all Passengers, not just halftrack Passengers. The third sentence almost certainly applies to all Riders, as halftracks can't have Riders. So my answer for question 1 is "yes."

However, D6.65 "Leadership" only talks about halftracks, so I'm going to answer "no" for question 2 and question 3.

JR

[Jon]

Hi

Differing answers. Where is Ole when you need him


A10.7 says "An unbroken Personnel leader may use its leadership rating to affect the performance of other Personnel in its Location [EXC: A Passenger/Rider leader cannot Rally, direct or otherwise aid units outside of its vehicle unless it is CE in an armored halftrack that is stopped..]"

The implication of this is that a leader can direct the performance of units in its vehicle, even if the vehicle is not a halftrack.
So it seems a leader in a Jeep or truck can direct the fire of other Passengers.

On to D6.64. The first sentence is talking about multi unit FGs
However the second sentence says "A passenger may be part of a FG composed only of other Passengers/vehicle-mounted non-ordnance weapons, and only if all elements of that FG are on the same vehicle" [with the EXC that allows multi-vehicle/Passenger/Infantry/Cavalry FGs for Carriers/armored halftracks

Just found this (unofficial) Q&A:
Index & D6.64 1) Are Passengers/Riders “units”?
A. Yes.
2) If they are, does the D6.64 prohibition on multi-unit FGs include a single vehicle and its PRC?
A. No.
3) I.e., does the second sentence of D6.64 apply to ALL vehicle types,
A. Yes; consider this second sentence to be an EXC to the first sentence's total prohibition against multi-unit FG by vehicles other than Carriers/armored-HT, thus allowing all vehicles to FG their non-ordnance (and non-FT/IFE) weapons with their Passengers.
4) or only those that use the “carrier/armored halftrack” rules?
A. No. [Letter213]

213) Bruce Probst to Perry Cocke and reply, posted to ASLML 5 February 2003

So it would seem that :

A Jeep with a 4FP AAMG as its MA is also carrying a HS and a 9-1 lader as Passengers.
1) May the HS combine its FP with the Jeep's AAMG to make a fire attack?

Yes

2) If yes, may the leader direct the attack of the Jeep AAMG + Passenger IFP?

Yes, since he is part of the FG [A10.7, A7.5]

3) May the 9-1 Passenger leader apply his leaderrship DRM to the Jeep's AAMG only?

Again yes, since he is part of the FG

Comments?

Cheers
Jon