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    HIP setup question

    In an SSR (#3 in ASL-77) it states that the, "French...may use HIP for one squad-equivalent (and all SMC/SW stacked with it)."

    I know this means I can HIP a full squad (with SMC/SW) in one location. I know it also means I can HIP two half-squads (with SMC/SW) in one location.

    But am I allowed to HIP two half-squads...each in a different location? Each with SMC/SW?

    The reason I ask is the word "it"...which makes it sound like there can only be one location containing the HIP units. I think this is the correct interpretation...but one never knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimWhite View Post
    In an SSR (#3 in ASL-77) it states that the, "French...may use HIP for one squad-equivalent (and all SMC/SW stacked with it)."

    I know this means I can HIP a full squad (with SMC/SW) in one location. I know it also means I can HIP two half-squads (with SMC/SW) in one location.

    But am I allowed to HIP two half-squads...each in a different location? Each with SMC/SW?

    The reason I ask is the word "it"...which makes it sound like there can only be one location containing the HIP units. I think this is the correct interpretation...but one never knows.

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    IMHO, the 'it' refers to "one squad-equivalent ...", not the location. Therefore, "it" could be two half squads in two seperate locations and include any SMC/SW stacked with each half squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asler View Post
    IMHO, the 'it' refers to "one squad-equivalent ...", not the location. Therefore, "it" could be two half squads in two seperate locations and include and any SMC/SW stacked with each half squad.

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    Offhand - dont know the number of leaders that equate to a squad - but under this SSR you could also HIP most all your leaders in the scenario

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Ingram View Post
    Offhand - dont know the number of leaders that equate to a squad - but under this SSR you could also HIP most all your leaders in the scenario


    A5.5 EQUIVALENTS: Five SMC equal a HS, and two crews/HS equal a squad, but ≤ 4 SMC count as zero squad-equivalents. .....
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    A squad's equivalent can be substituted for a squad which has been given special capabilities by a SSR so as to share those special capabilities (e.g., if a SSR specifies that a squad may set up hidden, two hidden HS can be used instead provided that nationality is allowed to Deploy HS).


    Hmmmm, very clever. I never thought of that.

    On further consideration, probably not that useful. As soon as you used the leader for anything like a rally attempt or fire direction they would lose HIP. Not nearly as useful as that HS/BAZ/PSK/PF tank ambush or the upper level HS to deny building control to the unwary. I like to keep HIPsters HIP as long as possible to make my opponent nervous.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Ingram View Post
    Offhand - dont know the number of leaders that equate to a squad - but under this SSR you could also HIP most all your leaders in the scenario
    One hs = 5 SMC, so one squad = 10 SMC.

    Since up to 4 SMC can be added to a location without increasing the stacking, does this mean that you could HIP 2 hs & 4 SMC?

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    You could actually HIP 8 Leaders in all, 4 with each HS if in seperate locations.

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    Couldn't you conceivably HIP 10 leaders(squad equivalent) in separate locations with any amount of Leaders/SW set up with them? That would be 34(1 of the 10=1 sqd equiv by SSR and 33 by the any and all Ldr in the same location) in each location. GROFAZical!
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    There has been a debate about HIPing leaders under the number where they reach significant "equivalency".
    I really believe this would be playing with some "loophole" and that most designers speaking of squad equivalents did not think of the leaders - especially as they allow SW/SMC to stack with the Hippies.
    If we introduce that application of the SSRs about squad equivalents, we ar legally right... but would this be legitimate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin View Post
    There has been a debate about HIPing leaders under the number where they reach significant "equivalency".
    I really believe this would be playing with some "loophole" and that most designers speaking of squad equivalents did not think of the leaders - especially as they allow SW/SMC to stack with the Hippies.
    If we introduce that application of the SSRs about squad equivalents, we ar legally right... but would this be legitimate?
    I believe you're right about the SMC loophole for HIP equivalency. My previous post demonstrates the absurdity of the loophole.

    I agree with swellington-You could actually HIP 8 Leaders in all, 4 with each HS if in separate locations.
    And believe that his interpetation is the original intention.
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