The European Union

**Marines** · 19 Apr 04, 18:47

Many people the world over have said that the EU is the beginning of a one world government. Now I myself am Catholic but not a very religious one I rarely go to mass except for Christmas and Easter and have not picked up a bible for about three years. The reason I posted this question is because of recent events inside the EU that corrolate events in the book of revelations that describe albeit vague events to come. For example they have a unified currency, plans for a European army and even begun a program for a NIS or national identification system pioneered by Trovan Identification Systems, and Destron-Fearing Corporation which is implanted under the skin. Those of us who currently serve in the US armed forces are familiar with the Smart Card which is the new identification card, the actual nomenclature is " The M.A.R.C." or the Multi-technology Automated Reader Card. What path will this lead to?

Semper Fi

**Doctor Sinister** · 19 Apr 04, 19:14

OK, there are two points here:

1) The EU is an overblown bureaucracy and corrupt to boot. Millions of Euros have gone missing in the EU’s own statistics department “Eurostat”. No-one knows where it’s gone.

All the EU Ministers ever seem to achieve is rank upon rank of meaningless rules and regulations that no-one adheres to – with the possible exception of the British on account of the fact that we feel that if there are rules, you ought to play by them. Yes, it’s stupid of us, because do France and Germany stick by these rules? No, they do not. They are happy to cast them aside when they feel like it. Witness the recent Beef scare – despite being ORDERED and FINED by the EU to restock British Beef in their Supermarkets following the “all-clear”, the French decided they would not – because they were concerned about the possible effects on their domestic economy. And yet France and Germany are the first to complain when the British break the rules. It’s a very uneven playing field.

Both France (Napoleon) and Germany (Hitler) tried to conquer the whole of Europe in their time – they never managed to invade these shores, but they sure as hell are calling the shots now via Brussels. Did you know that the EU even goes as far as to impose rules and regulations about how many degrees the bend on a banana should be?

As for common European policy, the British people will NEVER allow their foreign policy to be dictated to them by the EU and will not accept the creation of a European army or a federal superstate. Look at the recent divisions when we joined the US in invading Iraq – it doesn’t take much for the disagreements to surface, and they go VERY deep.

Thirty years ago we voted to join the EEC – and that’s all we did, it was a TRADING AGREEMENT. Now, we are being sucked in to becoming just another star on someone else’s flag. This is not necessary. We are one of, what, four or five trillion dollar economies in the world? We can manage perfectly well on our own thank you very much – we have done for about a thousand years or so.

2) Turning to your other point regarding ancient prophecy and all that, I don’t actually “do” religion as such (well, I’m a member of the Church of England I suppose, but that doesn’t mean anything – being a member of the C of E just means that you never have to go to Church and they don’t make you feel guilty about it - it’s all terribly civilised) but yes there are a lot of coincidences.

But there always will be coincidences, or something that someone can point to and say “wow, that’s scary”. In 1986 everybody was saying how weird it was that the Book of Revelations talks about a star landing on the Earth – and the star is named “Wormwood” and how (apparently) Chernobyl is the Russian translation of “Wormwood” – i.e. the fact that the nuclear plant went up was a fulfilment of the prophecy (nuclear explosion = star). Now they are all talking about Israel restoring its historic borders and smart chips that can be implanted in the head or arm, without which you can’t perform any financial transactions. I’m also led to believe that the international transaction code for the International Monetary Fund (or something like that – no doubt someone can correct me) is 666?

But no doubt in WWII there were people saying that Hitler was the Antichrist or something – just as they were predicting the end of the world at the turn of the Millennium. I’m sorry, I don’t mean to diss’ your own personal beliefs, but I figure that we’ve got enough to worry about with what’s already going on in the world without adding some other things into the mix that might or might not happen in the future.

Regards,

Dr. S.

**dannybou** · 19 Apr 04, 22:39

After reading both your posts I had to add my comments. First, this is my opinion and only my personal opinion not meant to offend anybody or anyone's beliefs, but I don't believe in foretelling the future either by religious ( Book of Revelations) or by other means (Nostradamus). Things happen as they do as they are ment to happen. We cause them. We being mankind. And remember, Revelations and Nostradamus' prophecies are fairly vague and each and everyone of us can interpret the sayings in our own way. I'm more of a scientific kind of a guy and a true believer that humans shape their own future notwithstanding what was said or written hundreds of years ago. I hope I am not offending anyone. If I am please advise me and I'll edit my post. And no I am not an atheist, and I do have my own set of beliefs but that's for another time.

On the question of EU: Of what I have seen over my time spent in with the UN and working with countries part of the EU, I have to agree with Dr S. I found them just another bureaucracy of not accomplishing anything. Something similar to the UN: A tootless tiger.

On the question of implants. I say why not? If this implant could solve crime, act as a deterent to criminal activity knowing you will get caught, in that sense I don't have a problem with that. If you don't have anything to hide, why not. Regards to all.

**PvtManaCoB3MD** · 19 Apr 04, 23:29

I agree completely with Dr. S, the EU is a UN wannabe and the UN acts like it's important, when it really isn't....so in that light, I think the EU succeeded. There is a decently sized group here in the US of World Federalists. They think that if you establish 1 world government, then all your problems will go away. They think that the UN is that government.

The United States will never submit to the rule of a foreign government, which I think counts as the UN. (even though their HQ is on our soil) This nation was founded on the belief that ordinary people can govern themselves, not some freakin bureaucracy (although it is fair to say that the US Federal government is just that) full of Frenchmen and Belgians who think they know what is best for us.

It sadly is the same way with the US and the UN as it is the British and the EU. As soon as the US does something of its own accord in its own interests, we're the next Hitler or Stalin. But if the old Iraq ignored policies, or China ignored human rights declarations, or if Russia didn't pay attention, it's not a big deal. The UN doesn't realize that even though we don't pay our UN dues, most of the money for international aid, UN peacekeeping and such comes from......oh gee....THE UNITED STATES!! (along with our friends in the British Empire)

I hate to say it will come to it, but I think someday there will be a conflict between the UN/EU and the US/UK.....we'll fight alongside our British allies to keep our shores free of the idiots who seek to undermine our freedoms.

**Doctor Sinister** · 20 Apr 04, 14:34

Originally posted by PvtManaCoB3MD
I hate to say it will come to it, but I think someday there will be a conflict between the UN/EU and the US/UK.....we'll fight alongside our British allies to keep our shores free of the idiots who seek to undermine our freedoms.

I don't necessarily agree that the EU has any pretensions at being a "UN wannabe" - a "US wannabe" certainly, but I think they look up to the UN as a guiding light. However I do agree there will inevitably be some kind of conflict (not necessarily military - probably an economic war) between Europe and the US. The trouble is, I just don't know where the UK will be positioned at that time.

There are those who want us fully-integrated into Europe and "at the heart of things" - calling the shots. Currently they are in the minority. There are those who feel that we have more in common with the US - some would even go so far as to advocate us becoming the 51st State (!!). And there are those who feel that we should be wholly independent - after all, we can stand on our own two feet. I'm one of those' although if I were pushed one way or the other I'd say we should throw our lot in with the US and not the Europeans with whom we have NOTHING in common, to whom we owe NOTHING and who are the most ungrateful bunch of arrogant turds known to man.

Dr. S.

**dannybou** · 20 Apr 04, 15:11

Originally posted by Doctor Sinister

And there are those who feel that we should be wholly independent - after all, we can stand on our own two feet.
Dr. S.

And that is easy to verify. How many times was Europe conquered by a King, Emperor, Kaiser, Fuhrer? How many times was Great Britain? :thumb:

**RichardS** · 20 Apr 04, 18:53

Originally posted by dannybou
And that is easy to verify. How many times was Europe conquered by a King, Emperor, Kaiser, Fuhrer? How many times was Great Britain? :thumb:

At least once. 1066 and all that jazz.

Cheers!

**Doctor Sinister** · 20 Apr 04, 19:31

Originally posted by RStory
At least once. 1066 and all that jazz.

Oh, the shame - an invasion by a bunch of guys, all of them named "Norman".

Dr. S.

**Bow** · 21 Apr 04, 22:26

Originally posted by Doctor Sinister
Oh, the shame - an invasion by a bunch of guys, all of them named "Norman".

Dr. S.

Lets face it Dr S the Brits are Europeans even though they pretend they are not. Its just 22 miles of water that makes a differance, also remember The Empire went down the tubes in 1947.. Granted the idiots in Brussels try to run things but if you fight back "they" backoff ie The German beer fiasco when Brussels tried to change a law from the 14 century regarding the manner of brewing beer in Germany.
I was Brit once and spend a lot of time in France/Germany and believe me I would rather be regarded as European and not Brit,
at least when I travel I now only have to carry one currency as even in Switzerland they take Euros.Just think if the channel dried up you would be a European..

Adra per astra

Bow on the island