More Poiignant Question

**goomohn** · 23 Jun 12, 13:28

Why would you release such a shitty system on the market? Are you ignorant of technological advangtages in wargaming technology or are you just trying to fleece money from old board gamers? This system is complete **** compared to Kroger's TOAW and yet $50 dollar turds keep getting poped out. I believe you're lieing about research done on the OOBs and topography. I think your A.I is total trash. Splash, this system and all its stinky refuse are sickening to us truely interested in wargaming and hex/turn based gaming in general.

**Compass Rose** · 24 Jun 12, 02:33

All I'm going to say is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it is very apparent that you are not seeing the beauty. John Tiller games are very enjoyable games, don't require you to go out and buy a new computer every time they release a new title, and they have the best customer service in the market! They would not be in business for 10+ years if they didn't offer good and enjoyable games with 1st class customer service! They also support all of their games, not just some of them!

If you are spending $50 for a game, then you aren't as smart as you are trying to make yourself sound. If you don't like the games, sell them and move on. They will sell very quickly on Ebay and Amazon as long as you are asking the normal market price.

**eastwindrain** · 28 Jun 12, 09:15

Originally Posted by goomohn

Why would you release such a shitty system on the market? Are you ignorant of technological advangtages in wargaming technology or are you just trying to fleece money from old board gamers? This system is complete **** compared to Kroger's TOAW and yet $50 dollar turds keep getting poped out. I believe you're lieing about research done on the OOBs and topography. I think your A.I is total trash. Splash, this system and all its stinky refuse are sickening to us truely interested in wargaming and hex/turn based gaming in general.

Funny but Kroger's original game TOAW 1 followed by TOAW 2 and TOAW 3 and was'nt their a deluxe thingy before the Matrix version which added together must have cost a lotta gamer's serious money.
I had the deluxe thingy then bought the Matrix version but somehow I just cannot get into this game.

I'm a Mr John Tiller and Mr Gary Grigsby's fan !!!.

So if someone is still reading this I will swap Matrix TOAW 3 ( the download version on a rather bland disc but 100% OK ) AND Matrix & 2by3 games WitP ( DVD boxed version ) for any 1 of the following HPSSIMS games , Red Victory, Spanish Civil War, Winter War or Defending the Reich.

Recently bought a new pc so did'nt bother re-installing the above wargames.

Send me a email or post here if interested, surely if TOAW 3 is soooo good I won't have to wait tooo looooong !!!.

**eastwindrain** · 29 Jun 12, 17:21

Whaaaat, absolutely no response whatsoever for this amazing game swap, WTF maybe tomorrow.

**eastwindrain** · 30 Jun 12, 13:38

Another day and still no response whatsoever, does'nt anyone believe in goomohn's Kruger's TOAW 3 recommendation, surely this is not the NORM.
The **** will hit the fan real soon.

**goomohn** · 30 Jun 12, 16:10

This engine and Squad battles make a good couple. Panzer/Modern campaigns and this engine go sour. Yeah $50 dollars for a well implemented nearly bugless operational system that can cover any 19/20th century battle. Or, $50 dollars each for one operational campaign (although with alot of content per campaign) that is buggy and lacks an intuitive A.I. Hands down TOAW3 is best.

**trauth116** · 30 Jun 12, 19:02

lol ... man I bet your other post (outside of this thread) must be pretty good...

**eastwindrain** · 01 Jul 12, 02:56

It's real good to live in a time where we are all spoilt for choice and can pick and choose from a massive range of video games, but also have the leisure time to pbem against like minded folks Worldwide.

**Mini-Me** · 03 Jul 12, 18:52

Guess I'm simple minded and not fond of technology. Been playing Tiller's games since 2004 and still enjoy them more than any other I have.

**Marshal Lannes** · 04 Jul 12, 06:59

If you want to experience , " Rip- Off" - you only need to go to a gamestore that still sell board hex games. The games are sloppily produced and I suppose aimed at 12 year olds as the graphics are always nice and bright. You are expected to pay at least $80.00 for a lazy treatment of a battle or campaign. The counters are designed to appeal to toddlers and the rule books are expansive but drivel loaded. The map sheets are basic. Once you have learned how to play one John Tiller game - then you are set to play all of them albeit for minor additions.

I certainly understand the initial reaction of someone who does not realise that these games are , " Genre Specific " titles and are purposefully meant to be that way. Fortunately in these times, if you do not like something, you can swap it or sell and someone will buy it.

I have lost count of the number of juicy video game titles that I have bought which turn out to be dog-doo. The cossacks titles are a perfect example. There are huge fans and massive popularity of games produced by some guy called Thiebault or whatever, where you get to move american civil war or Napoleonic portraits over a mediocre battlemap of zones and then the computer whizzes through the battle with no input from you. You may as well buy a computer that can scratch your butt to save you the trouble and tedium of doing it yourself. They sell for $50- $60 and you have to wonder what sort of edge of the chin drooler will buy this sort of game. Well; I actually bought the Campaigns of Napoleon one, but in my defence, only for £2.99, but I was tempted by the display marketing at £24.99.

I would not be surprised if a lot of gamers out there actually enjoy a more relaxed sort of game. I won't mention the game, but I really like playing a game from the late 90's which is totally superceded by it's modern versions. The reason I play it is because it is more truer to hex style play and it is huge and involving . The full version takes an age to play and the combat system is deviously fiendish, it just draws you in. No fancy graphics, quite good sound, but deviously hard in places.

The reason I play John Tiller games is because they are absorbing, are true to their specific genre. The battle maps are generally huge and cover a lot of battles and scenarios and I guess, in a way are not designed for lollipop suckers who cannot scratch their butts in time to loud explosions, fancy graphics and mood music.

The funny thing is that if suddenly John Tiller games were no longer produced, second-hand titles would not only be hard to get ,especially if you want a specific one, but within a year, $80-$90 will be the norm, with the more popular titles going for $120 and maybe more.

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