Hold S? activation question.

**hayman** · 23 Mar 12, 22:00

I'm currently playing against an Advancing S? ENEMY, but an RE has occured (#62 IIRC) and 20+ HOLD S? have landed in my backfield.

I have units in foxholes that now have S? ADJACENT, but (if I read the rules correctly) the S? only roll for activation due to movement in the move/rout/advance phases. So if my units choose to sit in their FH's and blaze away at active ENEMY units elsewhere, then my troops wont trigger Activation rolls for the HOLD S? ? If this is correct, does the ADJACENT S? prevent secondary DF (or is that Known units?).

**bkemp01** · 23 Mar 12, 23:19

Advance Attitude S? also activate under the same conditions as Hold Attitude. See first sentence of S3.32

**hayman** · 24 Mar 12, 00:10

Thanks bkemp, but will an ADJACENT S? activate if you don't move (i.e. sit still yet fire). Remember, these S? "fell from the heavens" and landed next to my units during play (I do not move ADJACENT to them).

**mryder** · 24 Mar 12, 08:29

Originally Posted by hayman

I'm currently playing against an Advancing S? ENEMY, but an RE has occured (#62 IIRC) and 20+ HOLD S? have landed in my backfield.

I have units in foxholes that now have S? ADJACENT, but (if I read the rules correctly) the S? only roll for activation due to movement in the move/rout/advance phases. So if my units choose to sit in their FH's and blaze away at active ENEMY units elsewhere, then my troops wont trigger Activation rolls for the HOLD S? ? If this is correct, does the ADJACENT S? prevent secondary DF (or is that Known units?).

This seems correct. I find no rule that would activate an S? without some form of movement of the friendly unit if the S? is not fired upon. The friendly unit can ignore the S? for SFF and FPF since the S? is not "Known".
Matt

**indy_go_blue60** · 24 Mar 12, 10:43

As I read it, any defensive fire is a FRIENDLY option and during the landing you're not required to fire or to activate the ENEMY S? But according to E9.4 LANDING, "After all DF/SFF vs. Aerial paratroops has ended, unbroken Aerial paratroops (not separate SW) may move one hex in any direction. All parachutes then land at the Base level of their current hex at which point 5/8" parachutes may become KEU."

I would look then at the Activation requirements for the ENEMY S? From your side, are they within 16 hexes, in LOS, and not in concealment terrain? In that event, you MAY attempt to activate them as you desire. From the ENEMY side, if they meet the requirements of Table x.1 they will attempt to activate.

I think the RE event is 74, not 62, on the ENEMY RE Table. At any event, any S? that weren't activated during the DFPh would then automatically activate during the APh. But (E9.5) they can't fire anyway. SASL is pretty vague on how to handle certain events, but in the spirit of the game, that's how I would handle it.

**hayman** · 24 Mar 12, 19:00

Sorry indygoblue60, crossed wires! I'm referring to a RE that places S? in Hold attitude at random points on the board closest the the FBE. When I said "fell from the heavens" I didn't literally mean paratroops.

BTW, I agree with mryder, I have been playing the Hold S? as virtually dormant next to my stationary units; if my troops don't move, the Hold S? cannot roll for activation.

**indy_go_blue60** · 25 Mar 12, 09:05

That's okay, it gave me a chance to study the paratroop rules again, something I've not had happen yet. Re #62, I agree with both of you. How 'bout "rose from the earth?"