V2 Rulebook - how important?

[Anonymous]

Guys,

I'm an experienced ASLer getting back into ASL after a 4 year absence (kids, job, etc...). I have everything through DB, but never picked up a 2nd edition Rulebook. How important is it to pick up? I did a pretty good job keeping my old rulebook updated with all of the errata that came out in modules, Annuals, Generals, etc.

I plan to mostly play on VASL.

Thanks,
Tom

[Fred Ingram]

I think you could have wquite a bit of ASL fun using the V1 rulebook.

I seemed to get along ok using it from 1985 to last year. :P

I would suggest you play for a few months and make sure you have the investment in time necessary to keep your ASl skills at some reasonable level - then make the invetment for the V2.

[AdrianE]

You can get by just fine with the v1 RB. There are a couple of differences between v1 + all errata and v2. I can't remember what they are though. Much discussion (read flaming) has occurred on this topic. You might want to check the FAQ to see if its in there.

The v2 RB is nice to have (flow charts and full colour illustrations) but currently in limited availability. If you see one that is reasonably priced buy it. Don't overpay though.

Eventually when MMP reprints the RBv2 get it then.

Adrian

PS I remembered 1 change: no more fake dr/DR so two large ? can't pretend to be a panther as they can't roll a fake start MP.

[da priest]

PS I remembered 1 change: no more fake dr/DR so two large ? can't pretend to be a panther as they can't roll a fake start MP.

Now this is wrong--they can still pretend, just can't pretend to be a mobile panther.

The wall advantage stuff is the main problem.--just e-mail me if ya want it, or download the stuff at the MMP website.

[Bruce Childs]

As far as the major differences between v1 and v2 ASLRBs, wall advantage and OBA are the 2 most noteable improvements IMO. But this opens a can of worms for me.....

I remember looking at SL for the first time, under the apple tree behind the barn...ahem, oh yes SL. Back then, getting into the hobby was no big investment. 1 module and poof, yer in, rules and all. Nowadays, grab the Visa/mastercard or what have you and be prepared for a safari. If you can find the stuff, hundreds of dollars will be required to get you where you really want to be. With a wife and kids hollerin for PS games and new furniture, yer time etc etc..., good luck justfying that expenditure...

Like it or not, there are folks out there who are putting the ASLRBv2 online for free download. IMHO, these are doing a service A) to those of us who can in no way justify spending all this cash on "ourselves" and B) for the hobby as a whole. After all, what good is the ASLRBv2 without the modules (if you can get em)?

This should in no way be considered a complaint. Call it constructive critisism or whatever. Print the ASLRBv2 ASAP and sell them now. Either way, there wont be much demand for it eventually. The modules, OTOH, will always be neccessary. Maybe bump the price of the mods after a fashion..( have we made any money on the rulebook yet?)

cheers 8)

[da priest]

Like it or not, there are folks out there who are putting the ASLRBv2 online for free download. ... Call it constructive critisism or whatever. .. 8)

Well send the urls to mmp and stand-up like a man for the hobby.

Constructive--it is not.

[Bruce Childs]

Where do you get off taking things out of context so obviously?

That url is no longer valid, but if there's one there's more...

[Fred Ingram]

BruceCHilds: What I did not seem to take out of context is your opinion that it is OK to simply pirate the entire text of the ASLRB and give it to those who just dont want to pay for it because it conflicts with the other finacial burdens they may have. Stealing is stealing - I should not have to lecture an adult about this (although I have had some recent serious diccussions like this with my 14 year old son)

[Matt Romey]

I don't own v2, I do just fine w/ v1 most of the time.

Matt

[bille]

If there is a forum equivalent ot a spuddy, Matt's just got my vote!

[Anonymous]

Thanks all for the replies. I think I'll try to get along using v1 for now. If I run into problems with OBA or WA I'll ask for help. Do any of you know if the *pending* reprint of the rulebook will be identical to previous printings of the v2, or will it include errata since the last printing?

Thanks all,
Tom

[Bruce Childs]

Fred- Sorry if this is what you are reading here, but I am not saying its ok, the point is, people WILL be doing these things, and there really is no way to stop it. Sorry that you feel the need to lecture me.

[mglouie]

Hey Fred, check your AVATAR, it is way to long and moves every post to the right of the monitor screen!

About v1 or v2. Depends how serious you are about playing in tournaments and such. I'd stick with v1 unless you find it annoying not knowing all the changes. Of course there is no place to find all the changes in v2, one of the BIGGEST mistakes MMP made. Simply inexcusable.

[Fred Ingram]

Sorry guys - removing it right now 10:30 on Saturday

[FrankH.]

I recently made a comment relevant to this issue on a question in another folder. I repeat and expand upon that comment here.

I recommend that serious ASL players obtain a copy of v.2 of the ASLRB. There are many rules clarifications provided in v.2 that are absent in v.1. In addition, scattered throughout the v.2 rulebook are numerous rules changes (mostly of a positive nature). These are mostly one liners which are in addition to the previously mentioned and better known major changes to wall advantage, etc.

V.2 will help smooth play as the rules are now much clearer and the index is vastly updated (it still is a lot of work in many cases). It will be critical for those players who attempt to play accurately.

One caveat is that mmp has recently displayed (but not seriously distributed) errata to even the v.2 of the ASLRB at the advancedsquadleader website. I have found this errata thus far to be of minor importance (but still useful).

Frank

[da priest]

I recommend that serious ASL players obtain a copy of v.2 of the ASLRB.

Been readin' this and kinda walkin' around it, starein' at it.

Wot the 'ell is a "serious" ASLer?

Matt who limps along with his v1 is a da*ned fine player and can whomp on most folks at tourneys--but he has fun...

v1 with the downloadable errata, and v2 pages on MMPs site comes darn close to v2. Seems usable until more v2s hit the street.

[Johnny Canuck]

I'll get a v2 as soon as they're available.

V2's typically show up once a month on Ebay, but they go for a pretty horrendous price.

[AnewNewbie]

I bought mine on ebay for US$70(NZ$140!) about 4 months ago.wanted to get into the hobby but couldnt wait for MMP to reprint.