Pinned unit goes Fanatic & Hero creates-Pinned?

[Eagle4ty]

:hmmm: Thought this may have been asked previously, but couldn't find the definitive answer or thread:
A Pinned unit goes Fanatic & creates a Hero; is the Fanatic unit still pinned? The rule suggests it retains the the status' of the previous unit [EXC: if broken it automatically rallies]. Since the Hero is immune to normal Pins (can be Pinned 'kind of' if wounded and has expended =>3MP), it would obviously not be pinned, but how about the newly created FANATIC unit. The rule doesn't seem to specify, but would indicate it also would NOT be Pinned because it would have Rallied, if broken, from even a worse previous condition.
1. Am I understandable?
2. Am I correct in my position that the newly created Fanatic unit is no longer Pinned?
3. What is the Rule (or ruling) that supports this position?

Thanks, am a little rusty on the rules, been away enjoying a VERY large beach :ar15:for the past couple of years.

:cool:By the way, played "Backs To The Sea" and created six additional Heros and as many BH/FANATIC units in the scenario! Heck, haven't even created that many in a RB CG day with three times the number of squads involved!:hurray::nuts:

[Reepicheep]

Fanatic units are subject to pinning, so I can't think of any reason why it should lose its pin status. A broken unit, if pinned, and then subsequently rallied on a HoB MC, would also remain pinned (unless I have missed something in the rules).

In fact, the Hero creation rules state the hero shares the same "fire/movement status at the time of creation; i.e., if the MMC was marked with a Prep Fire or TI counter, so is the hero."

So I would also say that the hero is pinned. True, a hero is not subject to enforced pin results, but this is not having a pin result enforced upon him, it's picking up the same movement status as the unit its being created from - and I would have thought that a pinned unit has the movement status of "pinned".

[Eagle4ty]

So I would also say that the hero is pinned. True, a hero is not subject to enforced pin results, but this is having a pin result enforced upon him, it's picking up the same movement status as the unit its being created from - and I would have thought that a pinned unit has the movement status of "pinned".

Interesting spin on this-never even considered looking at it from that stand point; wonder why my opponent didn't see it this way? He's normally pretty good at the rules - and this would have been to his benefit at the time! :devious:-T'anks Reep!:)

[bos]

A7.8 should help.


Remove all Pin counters at the end of the current Player Turn or if the unit subsequently breaks/goes-berserk/Battle-Hardens/becomes-heroic (whichever comes first)

There's also an old V1 Q&A which says generated hero is not pinned. I think going Fanatic counts as "Battle-hardening" as well, yes?

[Eagle4ty]

A7.8 should help.



There's also an old V1 Q&A which says generated hero is not pinned. I think going Fanatic counts as "Battle-hardening" as well, yes?

:laugh:Yup, Thanks! Was sure hoping I wasn't losing it all, checked out the sources and they're right on! Man, I better just re-read my rules again from cover to cover and re-aquaint myself with them. Really find yourself second guessing youself when you're rusty and not sure of distinct location for a rule. Thought I knew it but just couldn't prove it. Thanks my friend!:)

[Reepicheep]

Bos is right. I missed the A7.8 reference, which clears it all up.