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jrv
26 Jan 08, 22:23
A situation arose at Winter Offensive, and I just want to make sure I understand LOS into Depression hexes from higher elevations correctly. I have two examples from board 12. First, a simple example. Assume there is a unit in 12X3. Ordinarily it would not be able to see INTO the Depression in Z4 or AA5, but because of A6.3 you can:

A6.3 “DEPRESSIONS: ... A unit must be at least one level higher for each hex of range to units IN a Depression to have LOS to them [EXC: Units with a clear LOS between them through other continuous Depression hexsides (exclusive of vertices) need not count those intervening Depression hexes in determining the necessary elevation advantage].

Note that LOS if both units are IN the Gully are limited by the Gully depiction [B19.2]. LOS between units where one unit is outside the Gully are not limited to the Gully depiction, but by the Depression hexside.

The example after A6.3 shows a case similar to the one I have used from board 12. The question is whether the LOS has to be entirely within the Depression.

In the second illustration, assume there is a unit at level one in 12O7. Clearly it has LOS INTO 12N8. Its LOS to 12M9 passes through the M9/N8 Depression hexside. Is this sufficient to ignore 12N8 when calculating the elevation advantage required, or would it be necessary for there to be a Depression at range 1 too, i.e. in N7? Does “continuous” mean “continuous throughout the whole LOS” or just “continuous from the target Depression hex to some other point on the LOS, at which point we begin calculating the elevation advantage required for LOS”?

The LOS to L9 is blocked in either case for a unit at level one in O7 because even if it ignored M9, its LOS does not pass through the M9/N8 hexside, so it would need to be at level two. Assume it is. Does it have LOS to L9 even though its LOS only “continuously” through M9 (which it can see INTO)?

JR

apbills
26 Jan 08, 23:00
A situation arose at Winter Offensive, and I just want to make sure I understand LOS into Depression hexes from higher elevations correctly. I have two examples from board 12. First, a simple example. Assume there is a unit in 12X3. Ordinarily it would not be able to see INTO the Depression in Z4 or AA5, but because of A6.3 you can:

A6.3 “DEPRESSIONS: ... A unit must be at least one level higher for each hex of range to units IN a Depression to have LOS to them [EXC: Units with a clear LOS between them through other continuous Depression hexsides (exclusive of vertices) need not count those intervening Depression hexes in determining the necessary elevation advantage].

Note that LOS if both units are IN the Gully are limited by the Gully depiction [B19.2]. LOS between units where one unit is outside the Gully are not limited to the Gully depiction, but by the Depression hexside.

The example after A6.3 shows a case similar to the one I have used from board 12. The question is whether the LOS has to be entirely within the Depression.
no - you just need to have the LOS cross the depression hexside (exclusive of vertices).


In the second illustration, assume there is a unit at level one in 12O7. Clearly it has LOS INTO 12N8. Its LOS to 12M9 passes through the M9/N8 Depression hexside. Is this sufficient to ignore 12N8 when calculating the elevation advantage required, or would it be necessary for there to be a Depression at range 1 too, i.e. in N7? Does “continuous” mean “continuous throughout the whole LOS” or just “continuous from the target Depression hex to some other point on the LOS, at which point we begin calculating the elevation advantage required for LOS”?
I think the continuous starts at the first depression, not from your Location. In this case I believe M9 can be seen, ignoring N8 for distance.



The LOS to L9 is blocked in either case for a unit at level one in O7 because even if it ignored M9, its LOS does not pass through the M9/N8 hexside, so it would need to be at level two. Assume it is. Does it have LOS to L9 even though its LOS only “continuously” through M9 (which it can see INTO)?
JR

In this case I think it would still have LOS to L9. It would have LOS to N8 and M9 regardless. LOS to L9 would trace through the M9:L9 hexside, so it would be continuous through the depression at that point. The fact the LOS does not go through the N8:M9 hexside does not matter, since you are not trying to ignore N8, just M9 (as far as range is concerned). This would give an effect LOS range of 3 (N7:M8/N8:M9(ignore):L9).