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Wondering if anyone playing SASL currently.
If so what are you playing?
Want to hear about your Missions and Campaigns!
I am getting ready to run through the Band of Brothers CG again after reading Dick Winters new book and watching BoB again on DVD.After that I am going to switch to some Eastern Front late-war action.
Thanks,
MD
PS--anyone care to post their own CG's please do as I would like to try out some other folks own homemade CG's.
Started a US campaign about 2 weeks ago to fill in a few hours here and there.
Still on Mission 1 in June - Patrol. Ended up in a really bad starting position to block the Germans and it looks like a probable loss at this point...although there won't be many casualties and the boys are getting practice with the HW.
cryophobia
20 Oct 06, 08:08
I am getting ready to run through the Band of Brothers CG again after reading Dick Winters new book and watching BoB again on DVD.
Hi
Please excuse my ignorance, but where is this CG from? I've started 2 SASL games, but did not get very far with them. I guess I was to much of a noob to really understand what I was doing. I am about to set up a dedicated space for myself at home so I'm going to give it another go.
Thanks
Chris
Over the weekend I just finished a mission. I was playing as the French, May 1940. I won the mission, I think... I forgot to keep track of VPs, but I only lost about 2 squads and didn't give up any VPOs. That was the first SASL mission I played to an end. SASL is a lot of work for a game of ASL. I was planning on doing a campaign, but after playing one mission, I am not sure that I am eager for more. I want to like it, but I am just overwhelmed by the additional layer of rules on top of ASL.
Are there any SASL play aids out there?
madDdog67
20 Oct 06, 09:36
Cryophobia, I *highly* recommend asking peterk1 if he'll send you some of his vasl log files for some of his SASL games. Not only are they informative, they're entertaining as well. I don't think I could have gotten everything right trying to learn SASL from just the rules...but watching the turns unfold move by move in the VASL logs helped immeasurably.
Mike Murphy
20 Oct 06, 09:59
Wondering if anyone playing SASL currently.
If so what are you playing?
Want to hear about your Missions and Campaigns!
I am getting ready to run through the Band of Brothers CG again after reading Dick Winters new book and watching BoB again on DVD.After that I am going to switch to some Eastern Front late-war action.
Thanks,
MD
PS--anyone care to post their own CG's please do as I would like to try out some other folks own homemade CG's.
Hi
Please excuse my ignorance, but where is this CG from? I've started 2 SASL games, but did not get very far with them. I guess I was to much of a noob to really understand what I was doing. I am about to set up a dedicated space for myself at home so I'm going to give it another go.
Thanks
Chris
Chris, you can find Band of Brothers (US 101st Airborne), Barbarossa (SS- Division "Wiking"), Jumping Cats (5th Infantry Division-IJA), and Moskva (7th Guards Rifle Division) at Hans Mielants' site; Hans Mielants' ASL page (http://www.mielants.com/Simulation/ASL.html). You'll also encounter the TSASL (Tank SASL) rules and several TSASL campaigns to round things out. Not having been to this site in a while the Japanese campaign (in Malaya) is new and most certainly looks inviting :yummy:
WARNING: If you have a dial-up provider be prepared for a long download. This site alone is a very good reason to go to broadband! The wait is most definitely worthwhile.
Hope this helps (happy gaming)
Mike
JG53_Jaguar
20 Oct 06, 10:19
Cryophobia, I *highly* recommend asking peterk1 if he'll send you some of his vasl log files for some of his SASL games. Not only are they informative, they're entertaining as well. I don't think I could have gotten everything right trying to learn SASL from just the rules...but watching the turns unfold move by move in the VASL logs helped immeasurably.
I would be interested in Peterk1 SASL logs as well.....
I played around with a Soviet company at the start of Barbarossa to try and get the hang of it. Played three missions and it was pretty much a cakewalk in two missions with only one close one. Had fun but some of the moves the system tells me to make for the opponent seem odd at times.
Have looked over Hans Mielants' site and am interested in maybe doing some of that.
I'll see if I can get some posted. My ISP took everything down a couple of weeks ago because I was WAY over the limit of webspace I was paying for.
cryophobia
20 Oct 06, 13:01
Thanks for the link Mike.
Chris
Chris, you can find Band of Brothers (US 101st Airborne), Barbarossa (SS- Division "Wiking"), Jumping Cats (5th Infantry Division-IJA), and Moskva (7th Guards Rifle Division) at Hans Mielants' site; Hans Mielants' ASL page (http://www.mielants.com/Simulation/ASL.html). You'll also encounter the TSASL (Tank SASL) rules and several TSASL campaigns to round things out. Not having been to this site in a while the Japanese campaign (in Malaya) is new and most certainly looks inviting :yummy:
WARNING: If you have a dial-up provider be prepared for a long download. This site alone is a very good reason to go to broadband! The wait is most definitely worthwhile.
Hope this helps (happy gaming)
Mike
Hi Peter,
Might I suggest a couple of options? Well, guess I'm going to do it anyway, whether you want me to or not. :nuts:
You can post here on XG download area. That way you don't have to worry about quotas, and it's at a central location for people to get to.
Also, David Ramsey's ASL Scenario Archive, you can store the log file under the scenario ( or mission ) that you are loggin.
I'll see if I can get some posted. My ISP took everything down a couple of weeks ago because I was WAY over the limit of webspace I was paying for.
Reepicheep
20 Oct 06, 15:11
Wondering if anyone playing SASL currently.
If so what are you playing?Well, at the moment I am currently playtesting "The Naked Prey" and am about to start playtesting "Last Train Out". Both are SASL missions for Valor of the Guards.
They're both SASL missions that Tom Morin has written, and they truly rock! :smoke:
Sorry about not posting the link to Hans Mielants site:
Hans Mielants' ASL page (http://www.mielants.com/Simulation/ASL.html)
If anyone is interested here is a post of mine on a homemade SASL CG I tried before:
Make A Shorter Link (http://makeashorterlink.com/?W32F6220E)
MD
Chris Netherton
20 Oct 06, 18:05
Are there any SASL play aids out there?
There is the SASLA program. This can be used to automate a lot of the DRs and is quite nifty, but of course you then need some space by your gaming table for a computer.
Here is the URL
SALSA! II (http://benedict.isomedia.com/homes/delwood/SALSAII.html)
I am playing a SASL CG with a Co. from the German 26th Infanterie-Division as they battle through Russia. I am having a blast! The CG is being written up in diary form by one of the officers (currently an 8-1).
Due to some uncertainty about my future living address i have put it on hold for a month or so... but i am very much looking forward to resuming the march on Moscow (though the weather looks pretty overcast at the moment)
To have a look link through the sig line below
Both are SASL missions for Valor of the Guards.
Bastard!!!
Gotta share those for better playtesting you know? [chomp, chomp]
There is the SASLA program. This can be used to automate a lot of the DRs and is quite nifty, but of course you then need some space by your gaming table for a computer.
Here is the URL
SALSA! II (http://benedict.isomedia.com/homes/delwood/SALSAII.html)
Be careful. The Activation DR results were a bit off last time I tried to use it.
Double check against your chart. You'll see it.
Reepicheep
20 Oct 06, 21:22
Bastard!!!
Gotta share those for better playtesting you know? [chomp, chomp]Hehehe... not mine to share. But I can't speak more highly enough of them - they are hands down the absolute best SASL I have ever played and I'll purchase them in an instant when they're published. They have a CG feel, since you have Campaign Purchase Points to "buy" the friendly side forces for the mission. Besides, there was something way cool about buying 150mm Rocket OBA to bring down on an Russian NKVD strongpoint I needed wiped off the board!
I am thinking about doing an SASL players guide. What stuff would you be interested in seeing in it?
I am thinking about doing an SASL players guide. What stuff would you be interested in seeing in it?
Naked chicks, hooters, stuff like that... oh and maybe some ASL stuff also :D
I am thinking about doing an SASL players guide. What stuff would you be interested in seeing in it?
For starters, just a play by play for a single turn is almost essential. This is where everyone gets lost.
Go into the automatic actions in depth. The most important thing that has to be memorized is that stuff.
JG53_Jaguar
20 Oct 06, 23:28
I am thinking about doing an SASL players guide. What stuff would you be interested in seeing in it?
I have been reading SASL rules and kind of writing my SASL guide as well but I have been busy with other things so I haven't done much for the past two months. What I would like to know is what all the steps are involved in setting up a simple mission and then executing it and finally how to handle stuff between missions in CG. Something similar like it's done in some VASL logs that I have seen but I don't want to click through the whole scenario just to see what's involved. Also I would suggest just using few leaders and squads and no other weapons/guns/armour. So basically I would like to see some form of framework/guide that I could use as a base to do SASL.
One thing I would like to see in SASL Guide would be how the rule on appearance of units like SS is actually handled according to the rules
(Section 17,IIRC.)
That rule has always confused me!
An example of AFV movement by the AI.
Showing how some Automatic Actions work in play.
Maybe see some different types of units for Activation.For example I have substituted 8-3-8 AE squad for one of the other units on the Activation chart for Germans (say for a historical Mission where no SS would appear.)
New Missions would be great as well.
Just wishful thinking on my part.....
MD
OK, all this talk of SASL CGs made me want to try things out. I've set up "The Gathering" from Timmes' Orchard (since I know Amis and Germans pretty good) Only one leader starting off, and both sides are S? counters. I did have a hiccup setting up determining where S? counters gets placed in a 2 story building hex (when A9e says put it on the 2nd level). Took a while, but I think I got it. Now it's time to pillage :ogre:
Mike Murphy
21 Oct 06, 01:36
OK, all this talk of SASL CGs made me want to try things out. I've set up "The Gathering" from Timmes' Orchard (since I know Amis and Germans pretty good) ... Now it's time to pillage :ogre:
Jim, I seem to recall having heard of this one but don't have any idea where to look for it. Where do I go to find it?
Mike
An idea I had been kicking around for an SASL campaign, would be to use a battalion as the basis for the campaign. Play would still be a single company as the core unit on the board, but instead of at scenario end the refit phase a second company could be introduced to take the next objective so to speak. If the first company failed, the second, could try again...
Just thought I'd throw it out here into the ring.
Cool, some SASL discussions:D
Firstly I'm partcipating in a campaign as a task force in the 2nd US Rangers battalion in Brittany. Just finished of a mission trying to destroy some coastal guns in a german cave complex. Great fun.
This mission is a part of a GSASL wich is some kind a interactive role playing were someone is a Campaign Master and hands out mission orders the the Task Force CO. In short you get a mission every month with a deadline to be finished. You can follow the progress of the 2nd Battalion at Rangers in Brittany (http://www.mielants.com/Simulation/GSASL5)
There is also a 1st Battalion with it's own site where you also can find 18 fairly new SASL mission wich has been used in the campaigns.
1st GSASL Ranger Brigade (SASL Campaign (AH/MMP)) (http://web.aanet.com.au/1grb/)
The GSASL concept was not created by but developed by Rick Lubben. You can find a lot of more information at GSASL Home Page (http://showcase.netins.net/web/lubbensite/gsasl.htm)
The GSASL campaign at his site is unfortunatly suspended.
Are there any SASL play aids out there?
There is one over at the swedish ASL forum
SASL QRDC - ASL Sweden Diskussionsforum (http://forum.aslsweden.com//index.php?showtopic=680)
made by a swedish guy but it's in english so there would be no problem in using it.
Jim, I seem to recall having heard of this one but don't have any idea where to look for it. Where do I go to find it?
Mike
It's a CH product :shock: from Ian Daglish. Currently available at CH website,
Timmes' Orchard 2nd Edition - $24.95
Timmes' Orchard 2nd Edition UPGRADE PRODUCT | NO MAPS - $12.95
I'm sure other sellers have this. I got mine from Alex Keys. :thumup: There is a new one on ebay right now, but the shipping seems a little high for surface mail.
Jim
ChrisBuehler
21 Oct 06, 13:43
There is one over at the swedish ASL forum
SASL QRDC - ASL Sweden Diskussionsforum (http://forum.aslsweden.com//index.php?showtopic=680)
made by a swedish guy but it's in english so there would be no problem in using it.
That looks really nice! Thank you!
Chris
ChrisBuehler
21 Oct 06, 13:49
I am thinking about doing an SASL players guide. What stuff would you be interested in seeing in it?
Examples of play and dicussion of the automated portions of the game.
Chris
A preview of the start for "The Gathering". Yellow S? are possible friendly troops (AC dr of 6 converts them to enemy S?) It looks like quite a run when there is only 12 turns for the game!
Chas Argent
21 Oct 06, 15:10
There is one over at the swedish ASL forum
SASL QRDC - ASL Sweden Diskussionsforum (http://forum.aslsweden.com//index.php?showtopic=680)
made by a swedish guy but it's in english so there would be no problem in using it.
That's a very nice play aid, thanks for posting the link!
madDdog67
21 Oct 06, 15:17
What would I like to see in a user's guide?
As Denzel said in "Philadelphia", explain it to us like a 5 year old lol. (hey, the GF made me watch it, what can I say). Basically, a step by step walkthrough explaining the whys/wheres...how to place the ? counters, activations, automatic actions, etc.
I havent' SASLed in a while, and you can get rusty on that stuff REAL quick if you don't to it regularly.
I have been reading SASL rules and kind of writing my SASL guide as well but I have been busy with other things so I haven't done much for the past two months. What I would like to know is what all the steps are involved in setting up a simple mission and then executing it and finally how to handle stuff between missions in CG. Something similar like it's done in some VASL logs that I have seen but I don't want to click through the whole scenario just to see what's involved. Also I would suggest just using few leaders and squads and no other weapons/guns/armour. So basically I would like to see some form of framework/guide that I could use as a base to do SASL.
Jaguar,
Drop me a PM, you box is full. I have some questions for you about your guide.
Michael
What would I like to see in a user's guide?
As Denzel said in "Philadelphia", explain it to us like a 5 year old lol. (hey, the GF made me watch it, what can I say). Basically, a step by step walkthrough explaining the whys/wheres...how to place the ? counters, activations, automatic actions, etc.
I havent' SASLed in a while, and you can get rusty on that stuff REAL quick if you don't to it regularly.
Ditto,
I need step by step w/where fors and why.
Gord
JG53_Jaguar
21 Oct 06, 17:12
Jaguar,
Drop me a PM, you box is full. I have some questions for you about your guide.
Michael
done, message sent
PAULLUS,
Thanks so much for the link to the SASL QRDC--very nice!
MD
JG53_Jaguar
21 Oct 06, 18:48
Thanks Paullus, that's a cool SASL aid - we need more stuff like this!
Thanks Paullus, that's a cool SASL aid - we need more stuff like this!
Working on it.
Michael
Has anyone used the SASL features of the ASLAP program?
That Timme's Orchard map looks pretty good.
Is it worth getting? Just scenarios or is there a CG?
Mike Murphy
22 Oct 06, 02:16
It's a CH product :shock: from Ian Daglish. Currently available at CH website,
Timmes' Orchard 2nd Edition - $24.95
Timmes' Orchard 2nd Edition UPGRADE PRODUCT | NO MAPS - $12.95
I'm sure other sellers have this. I got mine from Alex Keys. :thumup: There is a new one on ebay right now, but the shipping seems a little high for surface mail.
Jim
Jim, Thanks for the information.
Mike
Has anyone used the SASL features of the ASLAP program?
Yes I have. They work fine but mostly I use ASLAP together with SALSA when I use the computer as assistant. SALSA gives a better overview and offers more options.
Hi gang,
I thought I'd way in on this thread.
I'd like to see more Official CG maps being used. In my case I've had to drop out of a game due to my health but with SASL there's no one to offend. (except my wife, she's been away for over a week and her side of the bed is covered in ASL stuff and Mad magazines.)
Besides, I have VASL on my laptop that we're taking with us when we go for surgery.
Later,
Gord
There is one over at the swedish ASL forum
SASL QRDC - ASL Sweden Diskussionsforum (http://forum.aslsweden.com//index.php?showtopic=680)
made by a swedish guy but it's in english so there would be no problem in using it.
Just a note, there are two links on the page. The second has some spelling corrections.
Mike Murphy
22 Oct 06, 10:17
Just a note, there are two links on the page. The second has some spelling corrections.
Thanks for the info. I downloaded the second (more recent?) version before scrolling up and seeing the earlier version. I don't speak or read Swedish so I could only assume that the second version was more up to date.
I haven't had time yet to print it out but it did look good at first glance.
Mike
Hi gang,
I thought I'd way in on this thread.
I'd like to see more Official CG maps being used. In my case I've had to drop out of a game due to my health but with SASL there's no one to offend. (except my wife, she's been away for over a week and her side of the bed is covered in ASL stuff and Mad magazines.)
Besides, I have VASL on my laptop that we're taking with us when we go for surgery.
Later,
Gord
Hey Gord,
Hope you get better.
In the downloads section of the forums, there is a nifty Red Barricades CG based entirely on SASL. Also, if you have it, there are several in Journal 1 based on RB.
Hey Gord,
Hope you get better.
In the downloads section of the forums, there is a nifty Red Barricades CG based entirely on SASL. Also, if you have it, there are several in Journal 1 based on RB.
Thanks for all the well wishes they are appriciated.
I do have Journal one but I should have been a bit more specific. I'd like to see something done with BRT, Riley's Road etc..
Later,
Gord
Reepicheep
22 Oct 06, 15:03
Do you have the Pegasus Bridge SASL CG, Gord? It's in a back issue of the Boardgamer magazine.
JG53_Jaguar
22 Oct 06, 16:04
Do you have the Pegasus Bridge SASL CG, Gord? It's in a back issue of the Boardgamer magazine.
Hmmm I didn't know there is PB SASL CG ? Only Boardgamer magazine has it ?
Does anyone now if there are anymore CGs adapted for SASL out there? I know someone worked on a KGP version a few years ago but I never heard that it was finished.
Reepicheep
22 Oct 06, 17:47
Hmmm I didn't know there is PB SASL CG ? Only Boardgamer magazine has it ?Yes, it was designed by Ian Vickers and published by Bruce Monnin in The Boardgamer Vol 8 Issue #1.
There are still 5 copies left of this magazine before it's OOP. Just $7 each, and you can order through Bruce Monnin's website here (http://www.bright.net/~monninb/).
kgsasl : KGSASL (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/kgsasl/)
Here is a yahoo group for a Kampfgruppe-style SASL CG that I had asked to join recently.
MD
Do you have the Pegasus Bridge SASL CG, Gord? It's in a back issue of the Boardgamer magazine.
Hi Andrew,
Thanks, no I don't but I'd sure like it! I'd trade it for an ASL Annual 93a if anyone's interested.
Later,
Gord
Reepicheep
22 Oct 06, 20:20
Link above to order. It's only $7, and I'm sure you can do better for your Annual than a straight trade with someone.
kgsasl : KGSASL (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/kgsasl/)
Here is a yahoo group for a Kampfgruppe-style SASL CG that I had asked to join recently.
MD
I had actually played with this group for a while and really enjoyed the concept... It was quite some fun to not only be fighting ones own battle but also to know that the results of others were going to affect the campaign as a whole.
Unfortunately some of the players took far too long to finish their games and thus the whole thing broke down. It was a great idea with a lot of promise and i would play again if the time commitment issue was fixed.
LEGION,
I really liked reading your diary of the 26th Infanterie Division.Sent you an email to your yahoo address giving positive feedback on your SASL page.
One question: on the Sept.17,1941 Mission you had an RE with SS troops apparently after the panzer grenadiers showed up,is that correct?
I am asking as the rule in Section 17 of SASL rules stating when certain Elite units appear (such as SS and or Paras/Commandos) seem to me that these units have to appear in first RE generated--but that rule has always confused me! Or is that a house rule to just have the SS units show up?
Any clarification on that particular SASL rule from the group,please???
Thanks,
MD
Hi Peter,
8 scenarios, one of which needs the Kellam's Bridge map, and 2 missions for SASL. Campaign games (S&L format) are in the Gamer's Guide, which I do not have and can't comment on.
I've only broken open the pack. The mapsheet is in two pieces, and looks good, unlike like some of the earlier CH maps (re Carnage at Cassino). No experience with any of the scenarios, though they seem to follow historical context, so they could be a little off balanced.
Jim
That Timme's Orchard map looks pretty good.
Is it worth getting? Just scenarios or is there a CG?
I am asking as the rule in Section 17 of SASL rules stating when certain Elite units appear (such as SS and or Paras/Commandos) seem to me that these units have to appear in first RE generated--but that rule has always confused me! Or is that a house rule to just have the SS units show up?
Thank you very much for the feedback... i really appreciate it... i see a lot of people have been to the site but rarely hear what they think of it all!
I chose to let the SS come and join the party despite the rule contradiction.
I have been randomly deciding the missions i fight with only the decision of attack/defence being made to roughly gel with the historical situation they were in. Only if the fight involves the same map (as the future winter defensive actions will) have i chosen to ignore randomness.
I have also noted that there were situations where the SS fought in a similar place at a similar time, so i did not think it was un-realistic to have them turn up due to the confused situation involved in some of the envelopments.
Finally i have interviewed a lot of German war vets over the past 4 years and wanted to include their thoughts on the SS in my 'diary'.
In the mission you mentioned i liked the all-in feeling as the various German forces involved decended on the remnants of the scattered Russian command.
Another thing i have enjoyed about all this has been the synchronicity of the DR rolls, with mission selection and even the prevalence of certain Guns and AFVs very much mirroring what i imagined my men would be fighting.
LEGION,
Hope you resume the march on Moscow! Look forward to reading more of the unit diary soon.
Like the idea of letting the SS join in the fun--will incorporate that into my SASL Missions as well.I have used different types/combos of units for Activation (both Friendly+Enemy) so this should work well.
Thanks,
MD
Mike Murphy
23 Oct 06, 09:53
... I chose to let the SS come and join the party despite the rule contradiction. ...
Why not make such a choice? After all, in SASL you are your own opponent and you and yor alter-ego can make house rules to your heart's content!
One house rule that I have consistently employed involves the US# for the FRIENDLY company. I have chosen to set my US# for individual HS at 1½ instead of 2. Why this number? A squad has a US# of 3 so half of that, by definition, is 1½.
My SW teams remain at a US# of 2 since these are dedicated teams of trained men operating special weapons. The only real consequence of this House Rule is that I have had to recalculate the FRIENDLY company's US# for the 100%/70% values. This calculation also comes into play for any MSR's which take the company's US# into account for the purposes of setting up ENEMY forces.
Mike
Has anybody adjusted the board generating table?
We have a few new maps we could add to avoid running across the same mapboard configurations (or does that happen very much for those that have played SASL quite a bit?).
R J Keenan
24 Oct 06, 19:18
I've too have been playing the first mission from the "Band of Brothers" CG. I decided to combine it with the "Personal Leader" CG as well.
Nine turns into the game and things are not going well. I had two squads drown when they landed in the flooded areas, two more were obliterated when a PzA LrS(f) they activated rolled a 2KIA. So far, the only luck I've had was when the AG was destroyed the next turn by a bazooka shot from Lt Winters.
The Personal Leader CG ended tragically. Lt. Keenan broke on Turn 4a, and failed to rally five times. On turn Seven, he finally rallied only to be whacked by a sniper shot the very next PFPh.
I've still got a chance to win, but I'm not going to have much left for the next mission.
Richard Keenan
Sorry to hear about your Personal leader,better luck next time.Have played BoB CG twice all the way thru and each time it was a blast.I am planning to do so again in a few weeks when I get my next week off on my shift rotation.
As far as new maps,was thinking of doing something where the new board is classified by type then added onto appropriate table as a dr option to replace one of the boards listed on that table.
MD
As far as new maps,was thinking of doing something where the new board is classified by type then added onto appropriate table as a dr option to replace one of the boards listed on that table.
MD
That's what I'm looking into now. Also going to check on the various boards available on VASL to see where they might fit in.
Psycho,
Take a look at this map table:
http://showcase.netins.net/web/lubbensite/maptables.htm
Looks like it would be easy enough to incorporate the ASLSK maps into the table.I have been using the above table for my SASL map generation for a couple of years now.
MD
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