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Blackcloud6
12 Oct 04, 08:46
Anyone play the HPS Squad Battles Games?

I have played the first Vietnam one before but am wondering how the WWII ones are? Any comments?

Is there enough interest in these to have a ladder here on WarfareHQ?

Thanks in advance.

Fred

KG_Norad
12 Oct 04, 09:39
While I have seen people on the site with interest in the titles it never seems to be enough to dedicate a ladder to it. I don't know what it is about the HPS games here but the proposed PzC/Modern Campaign section is stagnating do to a lack of volunteers to staff the section.

Which sucks because I really like the PzC series but it seems to be doing exactly the same thing it did the first time we had the section...slowly withering away from lack of interest. No leader, & very few posts does not bode well for the future of a section around here.

Here is another thread on SB...
http://www.war-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8715

Golani
12 Oct 04, 10:22
Well,
I'm a newbie, just started playing Penzer campigan: market garden 44 about a week ago...

Wodin
12 Oct 04, 18:20
As a recent convert ot the SB series I can say that AoTR is superb. Once the game mechanics are worked out and you get a real understanding on how involved the actually game is then I feel for suqad based game no other comes close. The ladder over at Blitz is well run and there are always people looking for a game.PBEM is very immersive and fun. The games become very intense. Street fighting in Stalingrad has never been so much fun.

Go over and check the forum at Blitz ask some questions and check out Team Echo site. DOwnload and read the tactic articles there. The grunt school article is a must read to get the most from the games.

Below is a AAR of mine. I wrote this per turn and sent it to my opponant with my turn. Screenshots are omitted.

Squad Battles Korea. Scenario: Always Airborne

Near Suk'chon, NK, October 20th, 1950, 1400 Hours

Players:
Ozgur ďOZĒ Budak: US Airborne
Jason ďWODINĒ Rimmer: North Korean

Below is a battle narrative, from the North Korean viewpoint, of a severe firefight which took place when the 187th Regimental Combat Team US Airborne landed near Sukíchon to try and establish roadblocks and cut off the fleeing enemy. Unfortunately one company of the 187th landed slightly off target and a fierce firefight broke out.


Turn 1 and 2

Company Commander Yoo Tan had just received the news that more Yankees had
landed NE of Suk'Chon. After 17 days of hard marching this was the last
thing his men needed. An intense rearguard action had been taking place
whilst the NKPA withdrew to the Mountains where they were to regroup.

Just when I thought we where out of it...........damn my luck.......the men
are to damn tired......but it seems to be a small force so far and I know
the men are seeking a victory to show the Yankee pigs we are not
finished.......this is our time to make them cry for their mothers....
" OK men, the Yankees have dropped near and we are going to give them a
surprise today, we shall seek revenge for the deaths of our Korean Heroes
near Inchon, this time it will be their blood which flows. Remember we are
fighting to free our Southern Kin from the clutches of Capitalist
swine.....lets move out"!

Heh.....brave words.....hopefully no more arrive......trouble is the only
other company around is Choi's.......damn imbecile........

Suddenly two mortar units opened fire.

Ok so itís begun........



Turn 3

Yoo Tan sent out the last runner. Hopefully all the men were now in
position to defend the two road exits. Sightings had been seen and some
Yankees had been engaged in sporadic gun and Mortar fire. The enemy force
seemed larger than originally reported. Also word of reinforcements had just
come through but as yet this was only a small number of men, Yoo Tan knew
far more were needed. He had already fought against Yankee paratroopers and
they were to be respected. So far showing themselves as the best troops the
Capitalists could throw at them.

Suddenly a runner burst into the room. "Commander, Company Commander Choi
reports that the objective has fallen into Yankee hands. He says that he is
waiting for them to drop guard and then destroy them. It is all in hand"

All in hand, all in hand........damn fool........what hope have we with a
fool like that ...

Turn 4

Choi fumbled around confused and bewildered. His honour fading into the
distance.

What am I to do.......I shouldnít be here...the men hate me...but Iíve done
nothing...nothing wrong..damn the Yankees for this..I feel sick...

The mortar teams carried on firing blind hoping to catch any Para troops off
guard. Two platoons moved up to try and take back the objective. Their moral
was low. They had once been a good company until Choi came. Then disaster
after disaster came upon them and once they had lost over half their number
in terrible a terrible fire fight which neednít have been so costly if it
hadnít been for Choi and his famous new tactics. Tactics....heh what
tactics..

Suddenly the enemy opened fire. Again they had been sent up with no real
idea what to expect and had walked into an ambush. Out in the open. How many
will die this time........

Turn 5

Suddenly it seemed as if hell had sent forth its hate upon the North
Koreans. Choi had suffered severe casualties from the ambush and he was in a
state of severe confusion. He was tinkering on t he edge of a breakdown. His
men were totally demoralised and were falling back. There was no cover and
his men just werenít up to the task of re taking the position. Sat alone he
was contemplating taking the most honourable way out but he was to much of
a coward for that.

Yoo Tan new reinforcements had arrived but the fighting in the North was
very severe indeed and it seemed like they were also taking casualties. The
main problem was the Yankee mortars who had taken up a perfect position and
were hammering the Koreans to the ground. Again like of any cover was
causing problems. He sent a runner to see how they were fairing.

In the North things where a total disaster. Men were falling and one officer
had been killed. Several squads were either pinned or demoralised and
nothing looked like changing for awhile.

Yoo Tan considered the options and they where limited. Some thing had
already gone wrong. The Yankees had yet again taken the upper hand and it was
going to to be a test of North Korean courage.

Turn 6

Bn Commander Hau Pong had spent the last twenty minutes rushing to the scene
of the battle. He had spent the last 15 days in rear guard action and
thought he was nearly home. The men were tired and needed rest. As soon as
the planes had been heard and the Yankees spotted he knew it was going to be
a long day. Intelligence reports looked very bad indeed. Choi had totally
messed up again and the Yankees had hit him hard, the Leader couldnít even
help him. If he managed to drag his useless body out of this he was going to
have him executed on the spot, unless a miracle happened, and they only
happen to the Leader.

Yoo Tan of the first company down south was so far OK, but a large force ha
already taken out the infantry guns and was moving forward. Hau Pong still
had faith that Yoo Tan could keep hold of the road he was told off to hold.
Also Yan kai and Pek Lee of the 3rd company was moving up from down south.
The only problem there was that their company commander had been killed by a
stray bullet before they had got up to their jumping off point. Still they
were both good men and full of honour.

Hau Pong surveyed the scene already many men had been cut down before they
had got a shot off. The Yankee heavy mortars were causing chaos and the
morale of the troops was dropping fast. Bullets were zipping past and shells
where crashing all around.

Ok I must move the men into position now, already to much time spent
pissing around......maybe today I can teach these pigs how well we can
fight.........maybe......


Turn 7

Hau Pong knew a huge mistake and possible disaster was in the making. Too
many troops were involved in combat. Why the hell hadnít they kept some
troops back.........sending in all the troops with no cover when they could
have waited for the enemy and then pounced...........now so many men had
been lost and moral was very bad....very bad indeed......damn fools...

Further down south things were going OK. The Yankees had moved up into
assault positions and in a surprise ambush had been caught out in the open and submitted to intense gunfire. Yoo Tan was pleased with progress so far and with
reinforcements on the way felt things were in hand.

In the East it was a total mess Choi had really done himself proud and many
men had fallen again. Confusion had set in and his only hope was if
reinforcements where being sent his way. However he had a feeling he had been
left to either sort it out or die.........



Turn 8

Platoon Commander Dong Ha was delighted. His ambush had worked perfectly. He
had just sent a runner to Yoo tan and he knew the commander would be very
pleased with his performance. He had set up two platoons on the outskirt of
the city and as the Yankees moved up he had them open fire. Many fell and
they ran off in total panic. Perfect. This was how the North Koreans fight.
This is how the Yankee will pay in blood for using our Southern brothers for
their plans of control and to fuel their greed.

Choi's luck was all out. As a last ditch attempt he had flung the last of
his men in an attack on the Yankee platoons who had caused such severe
casualties. The men had lost all faith in their command and were cursing
their luck for being led by such a fool. Already some were talking of
removing him for the good of the company, what was left of it.

Up North things were also looking rather grim. Luckily two platoons from the
city had moved up to take the small group of houses thus flanking the
Yankees. Though one Platoon was stuck out in a dangerous position. They
still hadnít reached the safety of the buildings. Still Hau pong had tried to
send orders out for the men to take cover were ever possible thus saving
ammunition and men. He had a feeling the Yankees where waiting it out and
then would make a sudden dash for their objective. He knew that if he hadnít
pinned them down or had not enough men left to battle it out after about 25
mins then the battle was lost and they would have to pull out due too to many
casualties.

Turn 9

The road through the city seemed safe enough. The attack launched by the
Yankees had been so far fought off and it looked doubtful many more attacks
would be forthcoming. Also two squads from the city had moved up into a
small village. A severe firefight broke out and it looked like a Yankee
officer had been hit. This might have a good effect in the next 20 mins.

The Northern route had, in a daring and brave dash, been taken by a Yankee
squad. However they had suffered terrible casualties and things werenít as
bad as they seemed. The main weapon of hate which the Yankees had used in
devastating effect was their heavy mortars. So far all attempts of
minimising there effect hadnít worked.

In the East, well the casualties had been terrific, for no gain what so
ever. A fully fit platoon had tried to launch an assault but had taken
severe fire at their jumping off point. So had to retreat. The main problem
was finding some ground to give covering fire. This objective looked lost.

The overall casualties had been very severe indeed. Three causes had been
noted. First off in the North to many men were thrown into action in little
on no cover far to early. This had led to severe casualties. Second was the
attack in the East. This had been a typical Choi attack no thought given all
out assault. Again very severe casualties had been suffered. Third was the
company moving up from the south moved North to early. They should have kept
out of view and then moved up through the village on the other side of the
road. This village had now been occupied by a squad from Dong Ha's platoon.

So far two guns and over 60 Koreans were either killed or wounded. One
officer had been hit as soon as they arrived on the battlefield. Only half
his left foot had been found as he took a direct hit from the Yankee heavy
mortar.

The North Koreans could really only hope for draw at best. The casualty
rate had been to high. They also needed to get back at least one more
objective. To achieve a draw.

Turn 10

The battle was still in full flow. So far the Yankees still held two
objectives and the North Koreans were in a confused state. The objective
near the city looked secure however the two in the Yankees hands at present
seemed lost. Too many men had been sacrificed at the beginning of the battle
to retake them and it all hung on whether Yan Kai and Pek Lee could move far
enough North to help retake the objective North of the city.

A platoon from Yan Kai's and Pek Lees company was moving upto join up with a
platoon of Choi's to help retake the objective in the east. Hau Pong was
witnessing the destruction of his battalion by what was really a handful of
Yankee Paras. If he failed he would be shamed and court marshalled.


Turn 11

The last 15 mins had seen a huge change in fortune for the North Koreans.
The brave charge by Hau Pong had seemed to swung the whole battle in favour
of the North Koreans. Even Choi was having some success after a terrible
start. He had retaken the objective which will amaze higher command, they
already had his execution certified. Hau Pong had also retaken his objective
and had managed to get more troops across to consolidate. Choi though had
lived up to his reputation again by no getting enough forces to really
secure the objective. However time seemed to be running out for the Yankees.
The Yankees had put up a brave fight, they had been highly outnumbered yet
still so far had managed to kill or wound 103 North Koreans. They also had
held onto to two objectives for most of the battle whilst the North Koreans
floundered. Many brave men had died today and they will be honoured by the
troops who fought against them. Hau Pong knew that if the Yankees had a few
more men then the battle would have been lost a long time ago.

Turn 12

It was now a case of mopping up the rest of the Yankees. It seemed that all
objectives would be held. Hau Pong was delighted. When he first arrived on
the scene things looked very grim indeed. However there was a sudden change
for the better. It must be the divine presence of our Leader.
The only worrying thing was that a lot of troops were very exposed and the
Yankees could still cause casualties. These were still mounting and could
leave a bitter aftertaste to the battle. Infact 115 men so far had been
killed or wounded. Anymore and the battle would really have to be considered
a draw in terms of manpower lost.



Result

The North Koreans managed to get a minor victory. However the game was very nearly a draw due to the severe casualties the North Koreans suffered. On a whole though the scenario is very unbalanced. It seems impossible for the US to take the objectives and hold them with so few men. Maybe from the US standpoint inflicting as many casualties as possible and taking out all the guns might just get you a draw. Going for the objectives which are right out in the open just isnít an option.

This is the second PBEM game Iíve finished and Iíve totally fallen for this series. It is superb. Immersion, intensity, fun and a fair dose of tactics make it the best wargame experience Iíve had full stop. Next time I will remember to take more screenshots. Luckily Ozgur had taken some. This is also the first AAR Iíve written. Each turn I send I also write a (very rushed due to time limits set by the wifeJ) narrative to go with it. Above is what was written in the emails to Ozgur. I find it adds a lot of immersion for me and is fun to do. I hope it adds a little to the game for my opponents aswell.

KG_Norad
12 Oct 04, 19:55
Great AAR Wodin! :D A fun read.

Blackcloud6
13 Oct 04, 13:17
Wodin:

Nice AAR. My uncle was in the 187th and made the drop north of Pyongyang. Too bad he's not still around to tell me stories about. His wife shot him back in the 70s. So it goes.

I reloade d SB Vietnam and played a scenario last night. It was the second one where a marine Battalion does an air assualt. Great play. I like how thie game can move quickly. Gives it a good tactical feel.

I ordered AOTR, Eagle Strike and Pacific Battles yesterday. That should keep me busy for awhile and satisfy my desires to get back into ASL (and for a lot less $$). :cheeky:

Fred

Dazooz
13 Oct 04, 13:31
Hope you will join the Blitz ladder Blackcloud! Let me know when you get Pac War (and make sure you get the add-on mod for Africa at War from Task Force Echo Four http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/squadbattles/), and we'll play a game!

Jason (Dazooz)

Blackcloud6
13 Oct 04, 16:30
Dazooz:

Thanks for the link. Now I'm drooling to get my games! Should be here and a day or two.

I'll probably join the blitz and then look you up for a game.

BC6

Dazooz
13 Oct 04, 17:23
Great! My favorite is AOTR, but I play them all!

Wodin
14 Oct 04, 07:17
Dazooz was the person I played my first PBEM game over at the Blitz ladder. That was the start to a long term alliance to the SB ladder. Also Dazooz is great to play against.